Erroneous Thinking in this video:
- Using conservative Christians to describe God is fallacious. I believe that God should be studied and described objectively.
-
Find a person you dont find appealing and try to love that person by
choice. Apparently, you havent seen a baby covered in poop running
towards you. You can find the baby unappealing but still love the baby.
-
God's knowledge pre-determines us. Just because God knows the shape of
your private parts does not mean that you are naked. Just because
God-Knows does not exempt us from freewill.
- God lacks freewill - erroneous thinking arising from erroneous postulations.
- The bible does not say we have freewill - this is wrong and ignorant of you +Underlings . Read Deuteronomy 30:19, 11:26, 30:1, Joshua 24:15-22, Genesis 2:17 (1)
- Sam Harris is only talking about the brain and not the mind. Watch the full analysis (2).
-
Atoms behave deterministically THEREFORE we ourselves behave
deterministically. This statement, although conjuring the pre-assupmtion
that human are made up of atoms - IT HIGHLY IGNORES the difference
between animate and inanimate object.
- Wilder Penfield (3), a
pioneering neurosurgeon that you may be well vast and aware of shows
that the brain does not account for the mind (4). There are many
articles that show that freewill is an illusion (such as the 7 second
brain imagining experiment you showed in this video) ... but you know
what??? you are still missing a very important factor and NOT seeing the
WHOLE picture clearly. This is the point:- this is still the VERY SAME
person choosing and creating the brain chemistry.
Now if we delve
into existentialism a bit, we believe that our MIND (not brain) is the
place where we get our self-identity from. For example, consider one of
the experiments Wilder Penfield did where he moves a woman's left hand
but she used her right hand to force it back down and said, "#I didnt do
that, you made #me
do that" (5 page 72). This is a place of existentialism where YOU DO
NOT DESIRE/ WILL TO DO EVIL ... yet you find another law/ nature working
in you to tell lies, steal and do evil. This is morality dualism and it
ought not to be so to avoid dis-ingenuity.
So you cannot just say,
"People are determined" when it is clear that A DETERMINED ACTION CAUSED
(7 seconds earlier) BY THE BRAIN can he halted by the mind - hence,
freewill still exists.
Lest you grab at straw-man concerning
Wilder's experiment about the 2nd experiment in favour of illusionary
freewill, it is important to know that the underlying factor between the
1st and 2nd experiment is this "phenomenon known as will that allows
for potential, non-personal causes of action." Which is to say that it
is perfectly agreeable to admit that our environment may cause us to do
certain things that we cannot help but do - however, we do not denote or
commit our actions to our wills or desire. Which is to say that NOT
EVERY ACTION IS THE DESIRE OF THE WILL. So it is perfectly and
philosophically agreeable to act against your will (even as shown in
this environment). In other words, it is not everything your actions
display that correlates to your will. Actions are not always equal to
will.
If freewill is an illusion, so is mathematics (6) - and if
mathematics, so are concepts and EVERYTHING including our social lives -
my parents may not be real. This is kind of reasoning begs the
questions of semantics - "how do you define illusion/ reality different
than the dictionary?"
If EVERYBODY is deceiving themselves (as
you depict of impress in this video) how are Atheist different from
Theist in terms of "reality" or "illusions"??? Shouldn't we be
condemning hypocrisy?
Telling us that everything is determined
but advising us to carry on continue being good - this pre-supposses the
deception of the illusion of free will. A lie that you love to have and
live out so much. Why should I trust a liar???
Yet you point to
God and accuse HIM for making you who you are. The only reason you can
do that is under the ASSUMPTION that freewill does not exist - that is
the very notion that I have debunked. So, your claims about God being
evil holds no grounds whatsoever (no compelling evidence whatsoever).
Your
argument is that God has made you an atheist - yet you find it
perfectly ok to lock other people in jail. Shouldn't you be leaving
psychopaths alone and saying that "its not your fault, its God's fault,
and you ARE NOT GUILTY". Can you look a psychopath who just murdered and
raped you 9 months old baby, wife and family and saying, "God made you
this way, you have no guilt, its not your fault, you are innocent".
Existentially, all you have said in this video is nonsense because it
does not agree with our ever growing self-experiences.
Lastly,
God doesnt send people to hell because of their actions but their
BELIEFS. The actions are secondary but your belief is primary. The
church has been announcing John 3:16 all this time and yet you still dont get it???
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. (7)"
You have NOT been deterministic/ fated to be an Atheist - that, my fellow human being, is your CHOICE of belief.
God bless you and I hope you stop deceiving yourself and CHOOSE to come into the light of DADDY-God's love.
Have a wonderful life believing anything - if it helps you sleep well at night.
References:
(1) http://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/30-19.htm
(2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NOWGLIVHRs
(3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilder_Penfield
(4) http://www.custance.org/Library/MIND/chapter5.html
(5)Inception and Philosophy: Ideas to Die for
edited by Thorsten Botz-Bornstein
(6) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unreasonable_Effectiveness_of_Mathematics_in_the_Natural_Sciences
(7) http://biblehub.com/john/3-16.htm
- Using conservative Christians to describe God is fallacious. I believe that God should be studied and described objectively.
-
Find a person you dont find appealing and try to love that person by
choice. Apparently, you havent seen a baby covered in poop running
towards you. You can find the baby unappealing but still love the baby.
-
God's knowledge pre-determines us. Just because God knows the shape of
your private parts does not mean that you are naked. Just because
God-Knows does not exempt us from freewill.
- God lacks freewill - erroneous thinking arising from erroneous postulations.
- The bible does not say we have freewill - this is wrong and ignorant of you +Underlings . Read Deuteronomy 30:19, 11:26, 30:1, Joshua 24:15-22, Genesis 2:17 (1)
- Sam Harris is only talking about the brain and not the mind. Watch the full analysis (2).
-
Atoms behave deterministically THEREFORE we ourselves behave
deterministically. This statement, although conjuring the pre-assupmtion
that human are made up of atoms - IT HIGHLY IGNORES the difference
between animate and inanimate object.
- Wilder Penfield (3), a
pioneering neurosurgeon that you may be well vast and aware of shows
that the brain does not account for the mind (4). There are many
articles that show that freewill is an illusion (such as the 7 second
brain imagining experiment you showed in this video) ... but you know
what??? you are still missing a very important factor and NOT seeing the
WHOLE picture clearly. This is the point:- this is still the VERY SAME
person choosing and creating the brain chemistry.
Now if we delve
into existentialism a bit, we believe that our MIND (not brain) is the
place where we get our self-identity from. For example, consider one of
the experiments Wilder Penfield did where he moves a woman's left hand
but she used her right hand to force it back down and said, "#I didnt do
that, you made #me
do that" (5 page 72). This is a place of existentialism where YOU DO
NOT DESIRE/ WILL TO DO EVIL ... yet you find another law/ nature working
in you to tell lies, steal and do evil. This is morality dualism and it
ought not to be so to avoid dis-ingenuity.
So you cannot just say,
"People are determined" when it is clear that A DETERMINED ACTION CAUSED
(7 seconds earlier) BY THE BRAIN can he halted by the mind - hence,
freewill still exists.
Lest you grab at straw-man concerning
Wilder's experiment about the 2nd experiment in favour of illusionary
freewill, it is important to know that the underlying factor between the
1st and 2nd experiment is this "phenomenon known as will that allows
for potential, non-personal causes of action." Which is to say that it
is perfectly agreeable to admit that our environment may cause us to do
certain things that we cannot help but do - however, we do not denote or
commit our actions to our wills or desire. Which is to say that NOT
EVERY ACTION IS THE DESIRE OF THE WILL. So it is perfectly and
philosophically agreeable to act against your will (even as shown in
this environment). In other words, it is not everything your actions
display that correlates to your will. Actions are not always equal to
will.
If freewill is an illusion, so is mathematics (6) - and if
mathematics, so are concepts and EVERYTHING including our social lives -
my parents may not be real. This is kind of reasoning begs the
questions of semantics - "how do you define illusion/ reality different
than the dictionary?"
If EVERYBODY is deceiving themselves (as
you depict of impress in this video) how are Atheist different from
Theist in terms of "reality" or "illusions"??? Shouldn't we be
condemning hypocrisy?
Telling us that everything is determined
but advising us to carry on continue being good - this pre-supposses the
deception of the illusion of free will. A lie that you love to have and
live out so much. Why should I trust a liar???
Yet you point to
God and accuse HIM for making you who you are. The only reason you can
do that is under the ASSUMPTION that freewill does not exist - that is
the very notion that I have debunked. So, your claims about God being
evil holds no grounds whatsoever (no compelling evidence whatsoever).
Your
argument is that God has made you an atheist - yet you find it
perfectly ok to lock other people in jail. Shouldn't you be leaving
psychopaths alone and saying that "its not your fault, its God's fault,
and you ARE NOT GUILTY". Can you look a psychopath who just murdered and
raped you 9 months old baby, wife and family and saying, "God made you
this way, you have no guilt, its not your fault, you are innocent".
Existentially, all you have said in this video is nonsense because it
does not agree with our ever growing self-experiences.
Lastly,
God doesnt send people to hell because of their actions but their
BELIEFS. The actions are secondary but your belief is primary. The
church has been announcing John 3:16 all this time and yet you still dont get it???
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. (7)"
You have NOT been deterministic/ fated to be an Atheist - that, my fellow human being, is your CHOICE of belief.
God bless you and I hope you stop deceiving yourself and CHOOSE to come into the light of DADDY-God's love.
Have a wonderful life believing anything - if it helps you sleep well at night.
References:
(1) http://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/30-19.htm
(2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NOWGLIVHRs
(3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilder_Penfield
(4) http://www.custance.org/Library/MIND/chapter5.html
(5)Inception and Philosophy: Ideas to Die for
edited by Thorsten Botz-Bornstein
(6) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unreasonable_Effectiveness_of_Mathematics_in_the_Natural_Sciences
(7) http://biblehub.com/john/3-16.htm
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