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I showed you the evidence for the spiritual world. It was not a proof - I am assuming that you are intelligent enough to know the difference between "evidence" and "proof". If that assumption is false, then check it out in a dictionary or something.
I gave evidence for rational belief in the supernatural world in the response I gave. You know that response right? Yeah ... the one you appealled to your emotional subjectivity and found very "ludicrous" and "pointless" an deleted because the arguments there were so sound, you couldn't handle the truth.
EVIDENCES FOR THE SUPERNATURAL
FIRST EVIDENCE - 1. Non-Locality OR Spooky Action At A Distance (SAAD)
I explained Spooky Action at a Distance (SAAAD) and told you that you made a strawman - this is because I was never arguing that SAAAD is proven science. I was arguing that SAAAD is UNEXPLAINED science. I told you what Kip K. Sewell wrote in his book "The Cosmic Sphere" that SAAAD means that...
...A can affect B without either touching B or without interacting with anything touching B. That is, non-local interactions are unmediated. A non-local interaction can connect two locations or local objects without crossing space between them. Einstein referred to non-locality as "spooky action-at-a-distance" (SAAAD). Voodoo magic and other kinds of supernatural and paranormal phenomena are often though to to be instances of non-local phenonmenon. Imagine a witch doctorpoking a needle into a voodoo doll, while simultaneously the person represnted by the doll collapses in pain. This is an example where object A - the needle in the witch doctor's voodoo doll - affects object B - the doll's victim - without touching directly the victim or causing any physical reactions between the doll and the victim to take place.
Unlike local influences, which tend to mitigate, non-local influences are always unmitigated. They do not weaken or diminish over distance. The remain as strong across billions of light-years as from a few millimeters. Non-local influences are also always immediate rather than consecutive. There is no speed of transmission for a non-local influence; non-local interactions are instantaneous. Hence, while local influences are mediated and tend to be mitigated and consecutive, non-local influences are *unmediated, unmitigated, and immediate. (1)
This has led scientists to believe that spooky action may be controlled by something existing beyond conventional spacetime. In other words, there is now scientific evidence for the existence of nonmaterial reality. (2)
So before you go about debunking strawman (as you're an expert on this) ... maybe you should first listen to what I have to say. You say science explains the unmediation, unmitigation and immediate-ness of SAAAD ... you said in the comment you produced when you jumped the gun:
2 entangled particles behave as a single wave. and then In science you observe and study things.
My query is not the fact that we merely observe things, but that there is no coherent explanation for how these things behave.
You later said:
The study contains the explanation of the observation.
I agree that the study contains "observation" but REALLY? It also contains "explanation"!!!? Wow! You will be the first person to explain this to me. Study what wikipedia has to say on the subject (3) and study wikipedia's references if you want something more credible
_1. Quantum entanglement is a physical phenomenon... _
I am sure your are intelligent enough to know what a phenonmenon is and I do not have to give you the dictionary definition.
2. As described above, entanglement is an experimentally verified and accepted property of nature, which has critical implications for the interpretations of quantum mechanics. The question becomes, "How can one account for something that was at one point indefinite with regard to its spin (or whatever is in this case the subject of investigation) suddenly becoming definite in that regard even though no physical interaction with the second object occurred, and, if the two objects are sufficiently far separated, could not even have had the time needed for such an interaction to proceed from the first to the second object?"[44] The latter question involves the issue of locality, i.e., whether for a change to occur in something the agent of change has to be in physical contact (at least via some intermediary such as a field force) with the thing that changes. Study of entanglement brings into sharp focus the dilemma between locality and the completeness or lack of completeness of quantum mechanics.
This is my question: You are an Atheist right? You believe in materialism right? Can you justify this phenonmenon in materialism why two objects could even begin to get entangled in the first place when there is no-physical or no-material connection whatsoever between them?
Atheism has no answer to this.
Brilliant People are already talking about *"nonmaterial reality" (2) ... maybe you topo should start believing in it.
SECOND EVIDENCE 2. - String Theory
I am going to assume again that you are a very intelligent person and you know about Sting Theory and its 11 dimensions. These dimensions are very coherent with our matematics. If my assumption is wrong and you are not-intellectually knowledgable of String Theory, Rob Bryanton made a good video to help people struggling intellectually to conceive and understadn the extra-dimensions of String Theory. If materialism is all that exists... why is our matematics coherent with the fact that other greater realms could exists side by side with this reality?
THRID EVIDENCE 3. - Super String Theory (7)
From the axiomatic core mathematical argument of Supersymmetry (SUSY) (4)... if "string theory" was not sufficient for you - get a load of this - we even have SUPER string theory amd its SUPER extra-dimension.The SUSY Standard Model connotes that there are things called Superpartners (5) where particles in this natural world are called sparticles in the supernatural world or electrons in this natural world are called selectrons in the supernatural world. These are what our theorectical physicists are saying are they desperately try to give a coherent mathematical EXPALANATION to the Higgs Boson they OBSERVED at the Large Hedron Collider (LHC).
So tell me Mr Naturalist/ Materialist ... why is it that our mathematics is very coherent and rational to posit a Supernatural world?
FOURTH EVIDENCE 4. - Historicity
Over 90% of our eminent and distinguished historians are saying that it is rational to believe Jesus existed. Why is our history correlating MORE to the fact that Jesus existed? Oh... here are evidences for you to chew on (6). And the liklihood of Jesus Resurrecting shows that it is much more rational to believe that Jesus Rose from the dead than to not. (I can give more arguments for this if you ask).
So tell me Mr Naturalist/ Materialist .... you said that there are explainations to all these phenonmenons in materialistic/ atheistic language ... please ... tell me. I am waiting patiently. Don't disappoint me.
God bless you
REFERENCES
(1) The Cosmic Sphere By Kip K. Sewell
(2) http://astrozet.net/files/Nonmateng.pdf
(3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement
(4) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersymmetry
(5) http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/string-theory-for-dummies-cheat-sheet.html
(6) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrRQqYGf4O0
(7) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7-TLgDg54o
FEEL FREE TO REPLY WITH YOUR STRONGEST COUNTER-ARGUMENTS, IF NOT, JUST ACCEPT THE FACT THAT SCIENCE IS LIMITED AND CANNOT EXPLAIN MANY NATURAL PHENONMENONS
I showed you the evidence for the spiritual world. It was not a proof - I am assuming that you are intelligent enough to know the difference between "evidence" and "proof". If that assumption is false, then check it out in a dictionary or something.
I gave evidence for rational belief in the supernatural world in the response I gave. You know that response right? Yeah ... the one you appealled to your emotional subjectivity and found very "ludicrous" and "pointless" an deleted because the arguments there were so sound, you couldn't handle the truth.
EVIDENCES FOR THE SUPERNATURAL
FIRST EVIDENCE - 1. Non-Locality OR Spooky Action At A Distance (SAAD)
I explained Spooky Action at a Distance (SAAAD) and told you that you made a strawman - this is because I was never arguing that SAAAD is proven science. I was arguing that SAAAD is UNEXPLAINED science. I told you what Kip K. Sewell wrote in his book "The Cosmic Sphere" that SAAAD means that...
...A can affect B without either touching B or without interacting with anything touching B. That is, non-local interactions are unmediated. A non-local interaction can connect two locations or local objects without crossing space between them. Einstein referred to non-locality as "spooky action-at-a-distance" (SAAAD). Voodoo magic and other kinds of supernatural and paranormal phenomena are often though to to be instances of non-local phenonmenon. Imagine a witch doctorpoking a needle into a voodoo doll, while simultaneously the person represnted by the doll collapses in pain. This is an example where object A - the needle in the witch doctor's voodoo doll - affects object B - the doll's victim - without touching directly the victim or causing any physical reactions between the doll and the victim to take place.
Unlike local influences, which tend to mitigate, non-local influences are always unmitigated. They do not weaken or diminish over distance. The remain as strong across billions of light-years as from a few millimeters. Non-local influences are also always immediate rather than consecutive. There is no speed of transmission for a non-local influence; non-local interactions are instantaneous. Hence, while local influences are mediated and tend to be mitigated and consecutive, non-local influences are *unmediated, unmitigated, and immediate. (1)
This has led scientists to believe that spooky action may be controlled by something existing beyond conventional spacetime. In other words, there is now scientific evidence for the existence of nonmaterial reality. (2)
So before you go about debunking strawman (as you're an expert on this) ... maybe you should first listen to what I have to say. You say science explains the unmediation, unmitigation and immediate-ness of SAAAD ... you said in the comment you produced when you jumped the gun:
2 entangled particles behave as a single wave. and then In science you observe and study things.
My query is not the fact that we merely observe things, but that there is no coherent explanation for how these things behave.
You later said:
The study contains the explanation of the observation.
I agree that the study contains "observation" but REALLY? It also contains "explanation"!!!? Wow! You will be the first person to explain this to me. Study what wikipedia has to say on the subject (3) and study wikipedia's references if you want something more credible
_1. Quantum entanglement is a physical phenomenon... _
I am sure your are intelligent enough to know what a phenonmenon is and I do not have to give you the dictionary definition.
2. As described above, entanglement is an experimentally verified and accepted property of nature, which has critical implications for the interpretations of quantum mechanics. The question becomes, "How can one account for something that was at one point indefinite with regard to its spin (or whatever is in this case the subject of investigation) suddenly becoming definite in that regard even though no physical interaction with the second object occurred, and, if the two objects are sufficiently far separated, could not even have had the time needed for such an interaction to proceed from the first to the second object?"[44] The latter question involves the issue of locality, i.e., whether for a change to occur in something the agent of change has to be in physical contact (at least via some intermediary such as a field force) with the thing that changes. Study of entanglement brings into sharp focus the dilemma between locality and the completeness or lack of completeness of quantum mechanics.
This is my question: You are an Atheist right? You believe in materialism right? Can you justify this phenonmenon in materialism why two objects could even begin to get entangled in the first place when there is no-physical or no-material connection whatsoever between them?
Atheism has no answer to this.
Brilliant People are already talking about *"nonmaterial reality" (2) ... maybe you topo should start believing in it.
SECOND EVIDENCE 2. - String Theory
I am going to assume again that you are a very intelligent person and you know about Sting Theory and its 11 dimensions. These dimensions are very coherent with our matematics. If my assumption is wrong and you are not-intellectually knowledgable of String Theory, Rob Bryanton made a good video to help people struggling intellectually to conceive and understadn the extra-dimensions of String Theory. If materialism is all that exists... why is our matematics coherent with the fact that other greater realms could exists side by side with this reality?
THRID EVIDENCE 3. - Super String Theory (7)
From the axiomatic core mathematical argument of Supersymmetry (SUSY) (4)... if "string theory" was not sufficient for you - get a load of this - we even have SUPER string theory amd its SUPER extra-dimension.The SUSY Standard Model connotes that there are things called Superpartners (5) where particles in this natural world are called sparticles in the supernatural world or electrons in this natural world are called selectrons in the supernatural world. These are what our theorectical physicists are saying are they desperately try to give a coherent mathematical EXPALANATION to the Higgs Boson they OBSERVED at the Large Hedron Collider (LHC).
So tell me Mr Naturalist/ Materialist ... why is it that our mathematics is very coherent and rational to posit a Supernatural world?
FOURTH EVIDENCE 4. - Historicity
Over 90% of our eminent and distinguished historians are saying that it is rational to believe Jesus existed. Why is our history correlating MORE to the fact that Jesus existed? Oh... here are evidences for you to chew on (6). And the liklihood of Jesus Resurrecting shows that it is much more rational to believe that Jesus Rose from the dead than to not. (I can give more arguments for this if you ask).
So tell me Mr Naturalist/ Materialist .... you said that there are explainations to all these phenonmenons in materialistic/ atheistic language ... please ... tell me. I am waiting patiently. Don't disappoint me.
God bless you
REFERENCES
(1) The Cosmic Sphere By Kip K. Sewell
(2) http://astrozet.net/files/Nonmateng.pdf
(3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement
(4) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersymmetry
(5) http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/string-theory-for-dummies-cheat-sheet.html
(6) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrRQqYGf4O0
(7) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7-TLgDg54o
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